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Doing Good by Doing Good

Peter Baines has been leading the recovery of our globes most horrible disasters, but from these adversities he has learnt many lessons about leadership and life and the importance of shared experiences.

In this episode with Peter, we discuss:

  1. The value of sharing experiences and how the power of this can change a life, a team, a community and/or an organisation.
  2. The impact that COVID has had on the charity sector.
  3. What he means when he says, “Doing Good by Doing Good”.
  4. And so much more.

To watch this inspiring episode, click the video link below, or if you would prefer to read the full transcript click the blue button under the video.

#leadership #charity #resilience


well hello

and welcome to the wine and wisdom show

for those of you returning thank you so

much for coming back it’s so

lovely to see returning people uh

putting their comments in the comment

area and if you are here for the first


welcome and cheers to you this

this show apart from being around wine

and obviously sharing wisdom

it’s actually all about connection

and i think one thing that has certainly

come out of the last 12 months

is that as humans we

crave to be connected to

other humans who can bring a smile to

our faces

some joy to that to our world and some


to our brains and i i’ve got to tell you

i’ve been

very lucky over my lifetime that i’ve

been surrounded by some incredible

resilient and courageous self-leaders

who are sprinkling so much goodness


the world and tonight is no except

exception let me tell you this man has

has and continues to sprinkle such a lot

of goodness

it’s absolutely incredible we’re in for

a great ride and i

i’ve just realised i’ve used that word

and you’ll understand why i’m smiling by

using that word

but before i bring him on i’d first like

to acknowledge the traditional owners of

our lands they have protected us

and supported us and our lands that we

live work and play on

for years and years and we are so

lucky that we get to work live and play

in this beautiful country that we have

all grown to live and love

in i’m personally coming from the

lands of the birrabirragal people


but thank you to all our elders and the


across australia so

who have we got tonight well i know you

already know i’m going to bring him up

right away

uh it is the incredible peter baines

welcome peter to the wine and wisdom

show how are you

hey heidi great to be with you i i

haven’t got a

wine but um we don’t know what’s in this

cup so

so you can just guess and and i don’t

know about the wisdom either but

um i think we’ll often tell a few

stories and it’s great to uh

great to join you tonight yeah peter

just told me he’s in training for a 50

kilometer run in a couple of weeks so we

do excuse him

for not having wine in his glass but

just so i don’t feel like

i’m the only one drinking tonight i’d

love to know what you are all

drinking do you have a white wine a red

wine a bubbles or a beer

what have you got in your glass

so peter peter baines

oh my gosh if you don’t know him i tell

you what you are in for a treat because

this man

has done such a lot of good in our world


you know he wears many many hats the you

know he’s a speaker he’s an author he’s

a consultant

and he has been on the front line with

some of our globes

most horrific probably as a good word to


and largest uh disasters uh that we


ever seen in our lifetime they have been

natural disasters and they have been

human-led disasters

and what’s amazing about peter

and his uh input to these the recovery

of all these terrible things that have


is that he has been out of lead teams

in in such extreme situations

extract what he’s learned what has

worked and then

be able to teach us all how to be better

leaders of

our families of our communities of our

remote teams of our organisations of our

small businesses whatever that might be

and tonight uh he’s going to share some

of that wonderful wisdom

with us we’ve got uh tiffany telling us

she’s got some bubbles well good to hear

tiffy i’m so pleased about that

peter how would you describe what you do

can you

can you share with us uh what you’re

doing right now

and you know about all this goodness

that i’m talking about that you are

sprinkling across our globe

yeah thank you that was uh uh quite a a

an introduction that’s for sure um i

guess uh like if you talk about what

what i’m doing right now

is uh a lot of the the effort

and uh a work that we’re doing is uh

is in supporting hands across the water

uh which is a charity that i started

in 2005 and and we support uh kids and

communities in thailand and

uh um no doubt uh it wouldn’t be a

surprise to people that

it’s been a bit of a rough road uh the

last uh

you know 13 14 months for the charity

sector particularly

uh those working offshore and so we’re

just doing our best to

uh uh to to keep the ship heading

in the right direction and uh and we

know that uh there’s good times

ahead for us uh but we’ve just got to

get there

yeah and i’m really wanting to dig deep

into that a little bit more as we go

along tonight

um but i i first i suppose what i wanted

to do to frame this

um for everybody who’s watching uh one

of our mutual uh

friends and colleagues uh michael dixon

uh who we both

uh love love so much uh he talks about

the magical dance

between choice and chance peter and i

wanna know

where you are right now with you know

the creation and the success from hands

do you feel that that was a real choice

that you made or was it because of the

chance of the circumstances that led to


or was it a combination of both what

what do you think

you know it’s a really interesting thing

that uh mike’s talked about there

because that’s

exactly what we stand for at hands is

creating a life

of choice and not chance for the kids

and it’s how we measure our success

in what we do so it’s a it’s a really

really interesting point

i guess the um um you know for me

starting it and

the whole thing was really yeah

obviously it’s there’s a choice in it

because if you don’t

uh don’t want it you don’t but um

you know my working career i’d always

been surrounded by

uh victims of uh of crime and and uh

um different incidents and and so forth


it was just something a bit different in

thailand you know the meeting

meeting these kids who’d all lost their

parents and were living in a tent and

and there was an opportunity to do


and and it didn’t you know i didn’t feel

you know upon meeting them this

overwhelming you know calling or desire

or so forth and

so i guess you judge it yourself as to

whether it was it was a chance

opportunity there was a choice that was


and we end up where we are now yeah

yeah absolutely and thank goodness that

you did whatever whatever it was that

led you to be such a help um

in that country and and and others so

i’d love to start with

my first question for you and it’s all

around uh

the importance of shared experiences and

why they are why they are important uh

why should we value them

and what should we be doing to get more

of them

yeah again it’s something that is just

fundamental to

to us at hands and up until

march of 2020 i would say that that was

where the gold

lied in what we did and

you know creating memorable shared

experiences has been the foundations


uh what we started and for us it was

um you know really taking people to


um on bike rides and uh you know is this

is this opportunity uh to develop

relationships with people

uh and some you knew some were family

some you didn’t know

some of business colleagues and and um

the strength of the shared experiences

created bonds that

you know those who haven’t been part of

it don’t understand

and i guess it’s uh you know it’s very

similar to the

the you know the deployments that i had

overseas working in bali after

bombings or thailand over there the

teams that i worked with

uh you know a very different type of

shared experience but it was something


what we went through uh can only ever be


by those those of us that went through

it you know and there’s bonds that were


uh that can only be understood by those

that are part of it

and and you know in some respect that’s

what’s created

with the bike rides you know we’re only

a couple of days home from our most

recent bike ride up in mudgy and

and it was uh pretty horrendous weather


with the rain and the wind but it was


adversity uh that you know created the


in the team and the shared experiences


and you know i’ve seen it on so many

levels um

the the value that comes from shared


and and as i say up until march of last


it was for us was the gold and

you know when that’s all been taken away

um you think well

was it the smartest thing but uh yeah

you know

like as i say been back on the bike last

week with a group of people

um there is no question that um that’s

what we need

and as adults uh particularly you know

when we stop playing sport and we stop

you know being tested physically

emotionally mentally when we live in

really safe environments i think that uh

sometimes we we lack the growth that

comes from

uh trying conditions and if they’re if

they are a shared experience well

it’s the best type of experience and i

think you know when

especially last year i mean we’re so

lucky here in australia but there’s

people all around the world still who

are very isolated right now they’re not

they’re not getting the opportunity to

share human experience

like they’ve known of course it’s had to

be very different

and that’s really tough right when we as

humans you know as we talked about

you know this is this connection piece

it’s such a crucial part of our physical

mental and social well-being really

isn’t it that we are

connected with other humans we are we

are social beings

we shouldn’t be socially distancing we

should be social

yeah absolutely you know i think we’re

wired for

for the social connection and uh yeah

you know i’ve seen um on these rides in

thailand like i’ve

i’ve done over 30 of these rides in


uh since 2009 and um

you know the the diversity of the people

who have ridden

and what it’s done you know it’s

broadened the horizons it’s opened the

eyes it’s

created friendships and bonds and and um

you know by

sharing you know particularly the as i

said the chat

the tough and challenging times yeah


and i have a question on that uh nikki

beaumont actually sent it through i

don’t know nikki if you’re live

and you you weren’t sure if you’re going

to get to be so she asked me to ask you

this regarding the shared experiences

achieving them with a diverse team

situated in different locations which so


organisations are doing right now what

do you recommend

with how how to do that better so that

we can

continue to share experiences with our

teams even though it’s

you know through a screen virtually in

different locations what are your


yeah i guess it’s um you know one thing

that we did last year was when we lost

all of our bike rides

uh we created a virtual bike ride and uh

for the month of june we invited people


uh to join us on their bike and uh

and we had chats just like this you know

with some pretty

pretty amazing guests and uh um

and they went for 45 minutes at a time

we ended up with 240 people

across nine countries who joined us we

raised 300 grand

uh via a virtual ride and

you know there was some real effort that

went into pulling it together but

you know in saying that we’ve also

acknowledged that

uh that wouldn’t work this year you know

the appetite is not there

people zoomed out of uh of stuff

and uh unless they’re on a whine and

wisdom with you heidi people

just couldn’t believe it peter i

appreciate that yeah

so um yeah i i think it’s uh you know to

nikki’s point it’s

uh looking what you can do and and you

know we spent a lot of time last year

um you know taking action to to do what

we could you know we had the virtual

ride we

we had a big night in and uh you know

one of the things that a lot of

charities do is

is uh have dinners where you bring

people together well

we we took over with friends of ours at

business blueprint we took over their

studio and telecast

at dinner uh for four hours and we sent


you know food packs of wine to people um

in all over the place in different

countries and they joined us for the

dinner and

and uh you know we made probably double

what we would make

uh in funds if people were together um


i guess it’s just uh you know looking

and being really creative and

and knowing that people um want that


and uh so you know doing seeing what you

can do to

to create it and i’d love to know for

those who are listening either now or


when you’re watching it when it’s not

live you know what have you done over

the last 12 months to share experiences

either you know having to do it this way

what’s been good like have you been

involved with an event like peter’s just

described a fundraising event where

you’ve everyone’s

come together via a screen or you know

have you found a way

to have a shared experience that perhaps

you hadn’t had before

covert and you know that that’s actually

something that really warms your heart

and you’re going to continue i’d love to

know if you can put it in the chat

we’d love to see what you’ve been up to

peter i

i read a statistic today that said that

uh last year there was over 350

charities in australia that had

experienced a 67 decrease

in their funds um i mean i don’t know

i mean i don’t need you to share what

your percentage was

but what how are you

how are you managing to support everyone

in thailand

all those kids all those i mean i’ve

been so lucky to

go there and experience the

on-the-ground work that you’re doing and

it takes a lot of resources to do that i


how are you coping what are you doing

and how do you see the

you know the future of all charities


also the donation a lot has diminished


everyday australians because of their

uncertainty with jobs and

you know not everyone is feeling as

generous as they perhaps would like to


um because of that or can you talk to us

about that

yeah sure i think like a number of

things there but

you know i don’t think the generosity

has changed and

uh and the desire to support your fro

your chosen charity and and the reason i

say that is we saw that

with the bushfires and we had a ride

heading off um uh in march of last year

it’s a last ride that we

we ended up delivering and many of those

riders are from a group called digital

live their real estate group that come

together and support us and

and do fantastically well and and a lot

of them hadn’t raised their money

uh before it was time to go and

and they had to raise their money

in times where australia was pouring


their hearts and their emptying their

pockets into the bushfires as

as was devastated you know for us

personally like we’ve got a farm out in

the bush and

and i had to stay in january and uh

ct my wife she went to thailand to lead

a ride it was the first ride

since 2009 that i’d missed because of


and i had to stay because of the

bushfires because we had stock there so

you know it’s very close to um to

to us personally the impact of the

bushfires but

something really interesting happened uh

heidi there were people who

even right with within our very close

circle is saying it’s not the right time

to raise

money for hands and we should be giving

money to the bushfires and

i said the thing is that the needs of

the kids haven’t changed

um you know the cost of supporting them

hasn’t gone away

because there’s guys here in australia

yeah you know

it doesn’t doesn’t support the or help

the kids

if we say well you’ll have to go without


food and expenses for a couple months

because we’re going to support things at

home you know and

um and what i saw and this was something


um um you know was beautiful to see was


the guys who had to go they raised all

of their money and

people um made a decision and and this

was what was really interesting it


i will support um hands or the bushfire

people went no no no i see what’s going

on here

i’ll support both and uh so i don’t

think the desire

because of covert has has gone away i

don’t think people’s connection to

charities gone away

what has gone away is if you raise the

money like we do

through the shared experiences that we

spoke about well it’s pretty hard to do

that when we’re not creating

offering those shared experiences so you

said you clean the impact i’m happy to


you know we’re all about transparency at

hands and

our annual operating costs are 2.5

million dollars a year

so we lost about 73 of our income

last year and uh this year will be


because we we we can’t deliver uh the

experiences now we’ve got

one of our big income earners or


uh domestically is the future of

leadership a conference program that we

run across australia

and you’ve spoken at and we’ll be back

again and

and that hopefully is uh you know if

covert behaves itself and

and you know we return to pre-cover days

that will be back but

um when you’ve got a budget of 2.5

million dollars and you lose you know

over 70 percent of

it or it has a serious impact and

you know i think um how we got by well

luckily as a board uh the decision had

been made many years ago that we would

work towards securing

12 months worth of operating costs and a

lot of the income

and distribution that hans enjoys is

through the speaking i do for business

and corporates and so forth and

that’s where we’re reaching new

audiences and uh

um and it was always seen as that’s a

risk that so much of the distribution

rests uh with me if something happened

to me well

what would happen so you know the board

had worked hand to say

to worked hard to save 12 months of

costs and

and of course that’s what seen us

through last year and

and the team is working really hard this


to create income and different streams

of income

to see us through yeah wow

and i mean how smart i mean not all of

us have got to use up our sleeve and i’m

sure many of the charities

haven’t done that so i mean

congratulations to you and the board for

making that decision

back when having no idea that you would

really need it

in 2020 2021

um tiffany tiffany’s got a couple of

questions here i mean

yeah i mean for people who don’t know

what are the types of things that you

are doing um in

in thailand can you explain to our

listeners about your different homes and

how that all works

yeah it started with the building of one

home and there was a

few of us who came together from

different parts of the world to raise

enough money to build the first home and

i’d met these kids

while i was over there doing the


of those who had died in the tsunami and

i spent

you know several months working in

thailand leading the international

team and i met these kids and you know

it was put to me you should

buy one of the the team that i was

working with and she said you know

should we raise some money

uh to support these kids and said yeah

absolutely and

we built them home and i went there and


heidi and i thought well uh we built the

home the job’s done

and uh obviously i wouldn’t have been

further from the truth

that could have been further from the

truth and you know 15 years later we’ve


built seven homes across thailand and we

you know have a number of kids we


about 350 kids on an ongoing basis and

they leave and others come in and you


yeah what we know with our kids is the

best place for kids is

is with families um when all things are


but when things aren’t equal we provide

opportunities and

in 2010 we took on a home a lady i met

by the name of nathal who was supporting

kids who had lost their

their parents or they themselves had hiv

and when i met them in 2010 these kids

were dying on a fairly regular basis

and this incredible woman has uh has

devoted her

life since leaving university and she

spent 30 odd

years up there now and has buried 1027


and these kids were dying because they

just didn’t have access to affordable

medicine and hiv is no longer a medical

problem it’s one of poverty

yeah so we were able to uh take on that

uh home support

and provide them with the medicine

provide them with the

the complimentary medicine and the meals

and all everything they need and the

kids stop dying

and but our care extends well beyond

homes and and you know as we said at the

beginning we measure ourselves

by the choice the kids have we run

university scholarship programs we’ve

got 27 kids who have graduated from

university they’ve got 20 that are

currently studying uni

and and you know there’s a whole lot of


work that goes on um and in thailand to


uh the seven communities that we do

yeah and you know i mean as i said uh

for people who don’t know i had the

opportunity when i was speaking at one


uh peter and claire’s future of

leadership conferences in 2019

i went to bangkok to speak at their

conference and then got to fly

to what is home hug to the

uh the home that peter’s just talked

about with the

the kids who have had hiv or their


and i can’t tell you the love that just


out of every every kid there for the

opportunity for them to have the choice

as you’ve talked about

and you know seeing such a thing being

able to see

good work on the ground being done the

results from it

you know a lot of us don’t get to see

where our our money or our resources

actually go

and to be able to be involved and that

again really

makes a big difference to your what

you’re talking about with your shared

experiences right for people to

actually go there and see the impact

that their time their resources their

money is making

and we’ll get there again peter don’t

you worry you’ll get people there and

that’ll happen

um but certainly i can understand how

that whole sharing experience just

makes such a difference to ongoing


yeah yeah and i i love hamish here he

never tires of hearing your story yeah

me neither ambition

i mean tiffany’s got another one and

she’s asking if you’re on the ground

after the tsunami in the

bottom i mean what what that was like uh

yeah i’ll let you out for that

yeah both so i went to bali um so

my career was as a forensic investigator

uh managing and investigating you know

serious crime and homicides and so forth

here in new south wales and

after the bombings um i was sent

to center barbie and bali

uh was really it was an australian run


even though that were in thailand there

were 202 people who died

uh 88 of those were australian and the


of the australians performed was the


of the scene the criminal investigation

and the uh the identification of the


and the many body parts that were left


and the afp did the investigation and

scene and then

uh state police such as myself did the


of the of those who died and the


of those bodies and and it was only a

short time after obviously boxing day


with thailand and and i was on holidays

on the south coast of new south wales

uh with my family i saw it happen on the

saw it you know unfold on the news and

realised pretty quickly it was only a

matter of time before i’d get a phone

call and be sent to thailand and

and that’s exactly what happened i found

myself in thailand uh

not long after the tsunami and we’d

spend several months

leading the australian and international


in the identification of those who died

you know thailand we recovered 5 395


and that was and remains the world’s

largest ever

dvi attempt and so that was the work

uh there in thailand and uh and that was

obviously where i met the kids

yeah absolutely and you know

out of absolute tragedy and horrendous


some good things can grow and certainly

what what you have grown

is one of those good things

unfortunately of course

uh such a massive disaster had to happen

in the first place

peter uh you’ve written a couple of


i’ve read one of them hands across the

water but i haven’t read this other one

of yours and i’m just going to bring it

up now so

everyone can have a look at it doing

good by

doing good wow i really love that

can you tell us a little bit about that

and i know you are

director of doing good rewards what does

that mean

you know yeah yeah well if you’ve read


the first book stop there because

you know the second one it’s uh it’s not

all that great

you know

it’s used as a text in um in the

university studies and so forth and

but it’s not going to be an interesting


uh that’s for sure um you know it’s

really about

and it’s part of the philosophy of what

we’re about

is um working with either individuals

or businesses or families and and making

sure that they get a return

and uh you know it was those learnings

and lessons that i took

into the into the consulting uh

work i do with businesses around their

corporate social responsibility or

social responsibility whatever you

choose to

to call it and making that into a profit


for the business and uh we know

we know that uh businesses

who engage in csr in a meaningful way

will retain talent we’ll attract new

customers we’ll have brand

differentiation like

new markets and that’s good for business

and a lot a lot of people a lot of

organisations think that they’ve got csr

but it’s really philanthropy

you know it’s carving off a portion of


their net profit and uh giving that to

charity and

and the thing is that’s not sustainable

it’s um um

and and then you know what we saw last

year and the fact that you alluded to is


you know when we go into difficult

economic times

businesses look at cost centers and the

first thing they cut

is uh you know their commitment to

charity and nexting

l d and uh you know if charity is


value to the business well they’re

unlikely to cut it

and uh so um so that’s the whole


behind doing good by doing good and i’ve

just saved you the

saved you the time of reading ready i


i can do an audio book of the entire

book in in about

30 seconds and sum it all up

you’re very humble peter

um now peter i you know this has been a

tough year for you

firstly obviously the that you can’t

have the shared experiences

that you have loved so much that has

filled such a massive part of

your life not just professionally i know

what that means to you

as a person as an individual you you


you’ve been scrambling with the charity


and also you know speaking at events and

conferences around the world which

you’re used to doing

has been quite a different experience

that is for sure to say the least

what have you been doing over the last

year to ensure

that your resilience bucket has kept


and sturdy so you can continue to show

up every day

and lead your organisation and and you

know lead your family and

lead the community and all these people

who have expectations of you here in

this country

and overseas when i’m sure there were

days when you would feel like

having a duna day and not getting out of

bed because it was just so tough

i mean what are the things that you do

or what is the one thing that you do

to make sure that you can stay some kind

some kind of balance i suppose yeah no

you’re absolutely right and

you know uh part of the uh the struggle

early was that uh 2020

was uh such an exciting year for us at


and uh you know everything that we’re

doing like we had 250

people signed up paid up fundraised

to to ride bikes for us in thailand

which is just massive you know it was

our biggest year ever

future of leadership was uh you know

just on

uh year on year growth so that was going

to be the biggest year on all project

projections uh both the charity and the

and the social enterprise were going to

be their best years you know and on top

of that

um you know something like i’ve been you

know running hands or part of hands for

15 years now and

uh um but what really got me excited

last year was

three new projects that we had coming on

board we opened a uh we’re opening a

a digital learning center up at uh ban

home hub

where we can give the kids a training in

things that in jobs and careers that

they could never imagine and they don’t

know about

you know and i see our responsibility is

certainly to

increase uh and expand what the kids can

aspire to

and you know you speak to the kids and

say what do you want to do and they go


i want to be a policeman i want to be in

the army or i want to be a farmer

and and there’s nothing wrong with those

like i i do two of them

i was in the police not my farmer and

you know there’s nothing wrong with that

but you know i feel like we’ve achieved

part of what we’re about when the kids

say to me

i want to be a drone pilot i want to be

you know working ai i want to do

you know create animation and all these

things so

we built this um digital learning center

where the kids can be

trained in this kind of stuff and and

that’s taken a massive hit

um since uh the center’s open but the

activity is not where it should be

because of

uh disruption to different providers not

being able to get there

you know we’re about to open a

hospitality training center

which is um in the car like region of

thailand to create

opportunities not just for our kids but

for the

the community of that region to be

trained so they can

have employment opportunities that will

increase their

um the salaries and the you know the

income that they can generate to

increase their standard of living

you know we had hotel after hotel lining

up to be part of that with us

we’ve got the the structure there

but um you know there’s no hospitality

industry and then

finally the thing that you know

personally i was so excited about was

the government of thailand

came to us and and said you know on the

back of all of the work that you

you guys have done um we have

uh not far from our first center at

pantheon chai there’s a school

and they said the occupancy uh levels of

the school have

been down for a number of years such

that they closed the school and they

said would you like the school

can you use it and i went and visited

this school

and uh looked at it and just it is just

in the

the most remarkable um area it’s 15

minutes from cadillac into the bushland


um you know there’s a mountain over the

side and and it’s just stunning

area and all the buildings are

dilapidated and i thought well what can

we do with this

and i looked at what we provide the kids

you know we provide them with

with with a home we take care of their

food their medicine

their education you know we have an

english language program that we run

through the schools we

run the the university scholarship


you know we the kids are doing outside

curricular activity but i went

what’s missing you know what do our kids

have have opportunities to

engage in that we’re not creating for

the kids and and you talk about

you know hainish in in new zealand and

and what do

what do they do that we don’t provide

for the kids

and i went sport you know and i went

okay what i’m going to do

is turn this school into a

high-performance sports academy

and i took a senior uh senior partner

from deloitte

uh down to there and i shared my vision

with him and um

you know he was more excited than me at

this vision

we’re going to create and uh you know

heidi it was so close

and uh it would have taken a lot of

capital investment

uh to to turn it around but the vision

was there and and

and for me it was something that i i

just felt so excited about

you know because i’ve been doing hands

for 15 years you know been raising

money and and you know it’s it’s not

lost on me the change we bring about for

the kids but personally

and all of that come to an end you know

to see

the savings that would work so hard and

all of our supporters had worked so hard

now to continue to dilute so

you know it’s not all roses that’s for

sure and and you know you question well

how do you deal with that

and i think it’s um you know it’s okay

to take some time to

to lick your wounds and i think that um

you know it’s also okay to um

you know your loss is your loss and i

don’t i don’t believe

that there’s value in saying there’s

someone worse off therefore

get over yourself you know like it’s you

need to deal with your own loss and and

whatever that is

and so there was uh you know a

considerable time of licking out wounds


and then you get back up you know and

and for me

a really important part of it is having

that clarity of purpose is understanding

why we do what we do

and um you know connecting in with the

kids and although we can’t be in

thailand you know they’re only

a zoom call away and uh you know then

personally it’s about

uh you know remaining uh fit and healthy


and uh you know surrounding yourself

with a beautiful family that i’ve got


and um you know the the the sun rises

tomorrow and you just keep going

yeah no it does and yeah i mean i

i couldn’t agree more with you though

with a you know a lot of people like

when people have had adversity or a


you know people don’t know what to say

for one people don’t know what to say

when people are going through bad times

um but what often automatically comes

out of their mouth is oh you know but

compared to good or

you know lucky it wasn’t little and it’s

like you know

it’s just so unhelpful because

challenges are all relative to our own

individual circumstances and what we’ve

already experienced of course and

you know nothing that i’ve had it

compares to what those kids have gone

through but

it doesn’t mean that something that i’m

i’m having challenges with

isn’t um valid isn’t it

no 100 right 100 right

i’ve got i’ve got one more question for

you but before i do um i have been asked

to get this question

on record recorded live it’s from andrew


he wants to know where you get your

one-liners from

andrew klein yes uh well he’s an

interesting man isn’t he and uh

um you know he used to work for nasa

did you know that i did not know that um

yeah nasa’s uh lebanese mate of his who

owns a concreting business

and there you go online so you know


people think i go to uh future of

leadership for

for the inspiration that comes from the

speakers and the wisdom that flows from


i just go there to listen to andrew

delivery’s lines so i can

get there and people think oh geez

studios this guy’s sitting in the

audience making notes and

what they don’t know that’s my keynote

material for the next 12 months

well i’m gonna i’m just noting that it’s

uh 8 39 so

we’re 39 minutes in i’m going to let

andrew know where he has to go to so we

can hear that

live that’s great and why you mention it

peter and i’m going to put the links

into the chat afterwards into the

comments afterwards but

for anybody who would love to not only

support hands

but also to be empowered and inspired

and learn

incredible a lot of insights from some


inspiring uh speakers

there’s a whole roll out of these future

of leadership conferences coming up

brisbane sydney melbourne

perth canberra new castle

yes and hopefully new zealand depending

on new zealand will go ahead because

we’ve um this year we’ve uh really

looked at

um you know how do we try to protect

um the series so we’ve got a number of

new zealand speakers

um for new zealand and and um and it’s

the same with a number of the

jurisdictions where we’ve tried to

uh put in place some uh domestic


um within their home states uh but um

you know i

and it might sound like a bit of a corny

line but i tell you what if you look at

uh the lineup that we’ve got for um

across the series this year um you know


um i love it and i know andrew and i um

joke and that but

um he says how much he enjoys it and

this is a man who’s um

at a conference um most days of the week

um some is he’s not invited to but he

just goes because that’s

what he died of the years he’ll go

anywhere for a free lunch but

he would yeah you know but he he talks


just the the community and the strength

of the the liner

and and the reason we can deliver it the

way that we do is because

the speakers also generously uh give

their time

pay for their own travel costs and you

know if

a company tried to put on the speaker’s

lineup that we do

um you know they’d be paying a hundred

hundred thousand dollars in speakers

fees just for the day

and uh we have these incredible speakers

and you know jump on the website

future futureofleadership.com.uh just

have a look at the

the talent that’s uh there this year

it’s it’s really exciting

yeah i hear i hear canberra in newcastle

there’s a great line up there

an exceptional speaker i heard i don’t

know who she is

an opportunity uh hello anyway i’m going

to ask you my final question

what is the most impactful piece of

wisdom that you have been given

in your lifetime and why has it been

such a

positive impact in your life


um you know i think that the word that

comes up for me

um you know straight away is presence

and uh and it’s about

and i talk about this when i present is

the value

of as leaders in being present

with the teams that we’re leading uh and

you know i’ve been doing a lot of work

um over the last you know probably six

or nine months with

with companies um who have gone well how

do we

work with our teams and how do we lead

when we can’t be there and

you know mentoring a senior guy who’s

um you know his team is asia pack and he

can’t get there and

and and you know the presence is is how

we represent our brand how we

represent the team and and ourselves and

i think

you know when we look at the criticism

uh public criticism

of our political leaders and um

you know scott morrison last year with

the fires and

and the criticism was because he wasn’t


and i think he’d be naive or um you know


a strong labor supporter to think that

he wasn’t informed you know there’s no

question that he would have had all the

information he would have been informed


you know as leaders we need to be

present because it demonstrates that we


and that we understand and as leaders we

don’t have to have all the answers we

don’t have to bring about change but we

need to be present

and i think you know for me when i look

back over my policing career those who

have the biggest influence on me when i

look at the work we did in bali when i

look at the work in

in thailand you know i worked in japan

after the

tsunami of 2011 and and uh there was a

a man in the mrsatosan who worked in us

in a small village in the iwati

prefecture that was devastated by the

tsunami and

you know each night he would come down

with the community and have dinner with


and he didn’t need to his place was safe


it was that presence and i think for me

that’s you know probably the most

important thing

absolutely and even you know i i think

that’s just so beautiful

and i think even you know in our

personal lives that you know

you’ve got to be present to your friends

right otherwise that’s not a friendship

you’ve got to be present to your partner

otherwise it’s not a partnership

you have to be present in your family

even if they’re driving you nuts

you know so yeah thank you

that’s i mean that’s just a beautiful

way for us to end tonight and i think it

it kind of circles right back around to

where we started around connection

because that

connection piece is that presence piece

isn’t it you

you need to be present to connect with

people you can’t expect

it to happen via text uh you can’t


it to happen just because you feel it

you’ve got to be present

yeah yeah absolutely

peter thank you so much for your time

tonight it’s been wonderful to hear your

stories to hear again of all the

incredible work that you’re doing

across the world um and especially in

thailand but

also just the incredible work that you


for individuals who can learn from you

be inspired by you

and perhaps just take one little micro

change from what you deliver to them

from stage or virtually now and to

improve their lives and i think we’ve

all been improved

because of you and i certainly know that

i have so

thank you so much thank you thank you

that’s very kind of you

thank you and for everybody who’s been

here tonight or who watches the uh

you know later on uh thank you for your

time uh

if i’m gonna put lots of uh things in

the comment box so you can connect with

peter and what he’s doing in the hands


seeing what’s coming up uh for the

future of leadership conferences

and any other rides that they might have

coming up that you would like to be

involved with

so please reach out to them they do

great work we need them in the world

and they need your support so um i’ve

got a smidge left uh cheers to anybody

who’s still having a little drink

and i look forward to seeing you all

very soon on the wine and wisdom show

good night


About Peter Baines:

Peter Baines, developed his unique leadership style by leading international identification teams into Indonesia and Thailand following acts of terrorism and the 2004 South East Asian Tsunami.  He worked in the counter terrorism area of Interpol, spent time with the United Nations Office of Drug and Crime and also worked in Saudi Arabia and Japan after natural disasters hit those countries.  But it was his work in Thailand that brought the biggest change.  After meeting the children left orphaned by the Tsunami, Peter felt compelled to act and founded an Australian charity called Hands Across the Water which has gone on to create opportunities for hundreds of children across Thailand.

Today, Peter has a successful consulting business building engagement through corporate social responsibility and presents across the globe to major corporations and governments on Leadership.  He is the author of two books, Hands Across the Water, and Doing Good by Doing Good.

In 2014, he was recognised in the Australia Day honours with the awarding of the Order of Australia Medal for his International Humanitarian work.  In 2016 he received the Most Admirable Order of Direkgunabhorn awarded by the King of Thailand for his devotional services to the Kingdom of Thailand.

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